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higher prices. >> they should get over it. >> and just. >> three days. >> into the new administration, elon musk attacks the president's. $500 billion ai project. >> as the 11th hour. >> gets underway on this wednesday night. >> good evening. >> once again. i am stephanie ruhle. >> it is day three. >> of the second trump. >> administration, and the. >> president is moving quickly. >> to test. >> the limits of. how far he can push his agenda. just look. >> at his actions on immigration. >> already today. officials confirmed 1500 active. >> duty troops. >> will deploy to the southern border to help customs and border patrol with logistics and transportation. the military has fulfilled this role in the past, but. trump also directed the incoming defense. >> secretary and. >> homeland security chief to advise him on invoking the insurrection act that would allow those troops to be used in civilian law. enforcement on u.s. soil for. >> the first time in. >> many decades. >> plus.

>> trump's justice. >> department is now threatening to. prosecute state and local officials who defy his mass deportation plans and on his order ending birthright citizenship, which is already facing legal challenges. the new york times points out this. it was something he pushed his administration to do in his first term right. >> up until the 2020. >> election, but his white house lawyers and his attorney general told him he didn't have the authority to nullify a right guaranteed by the 14th amendment. what a difference four years can make. also, despite trump allies saying he would not issue a blanket pardon for january 6th, defendants more and more are being released from jail. >> after he did exactly that. >> and tonight his dear, dear friend, fox news host sean hannity, asked donald trump why that number included violent offenders. and here's what. >> he said. they were treated. they were treated like the worst criminals in history. and you know what they were there for?

they were protesting the vote because they knew the election was rigged and they were protesting the vote. and that should be allowed to protest a vote. you should be allowed to, you know, the day when the day comes, you shouldn't. >> be able to invade. >> the capitol. some of those people with the police, true. but they were very minor incidents. okay. you know, they get built up by that couple of fake guys. this was a political hoax. and you know what? those people and i'm not saying in every single case, but there was a lot of patriotism with those people. >> well, maybe the republicans can get to the bottom of all of that, because today they formed their own panel to investigate the january 6th attack on the capitol. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our midweek nightcap. philip bump is here. washington post columnist focused largely on the numbers behind the politics. max chafkin is here. bloomberg businessweek journalist and co-host of the elan inc podcast. so he's going to be so, so busy this year. and

former republican congressman david jolly of florida. all right, david, i turn to you first because the wall street journal editorial board published this. i want to have it exactly right. trump pardons the january 6th cop beaters. law and orders back the blue. what happened to the gop? any idea? that's the wall street. >> journal, right? right. and i think it goes deeper than that. if you listen to donald trump's conversation with sean hannity. >> and sean was trying. >> he was trying. >> he was. >> and. >> i think we have to be careful with. >> our words. >> but millions of americans tonight think that donald trump is a demented, unwell, sick person who is dangerous to the constitution, dangerous to the country, and should not be president of the united states. and they don't do that out of fear mongering. they do that because in his first administration, he ultimately excited the violent mob to go to the capitol. after leaving office, he misused classified

information. in his first 72 hours, he violated the 14th amendment. he's violated the empowerment clause, and he's pardoned cop beaters. donald trump is not a normal president, and i think even sean hannity was kind of pushing him on that. to your point, i think, what does that mean for all the other republicans that elevate him and celebrate him and their their get out of jail card right now is to say, yeah, but biden did x, y, z. there is no parity between what biden did and what donald trump did. donald trump pardoned violent convicts who beat up cops and law enforcement officers to try to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. i don't think donald trump really even understands that. i don't i don't think he has the intellect to understand that. but all of the people on capitol hill who are backing him up right now do. and the shame and scorn that millions of americans put on donald trump, they're putting on capitol hill republicans tonight as well. >> okay. but to that point, right. capitol hill republicans, many of them are using this.

both sides saying, well, biden pardoned all these people. but the specific people that donald trump is helping. experts have warned that clemency for oath keepers and proud boys, right, could fuel the threat of extremism. this is like donald trump creating his own private militia, and these people are fired up. shouldn't we be concerned about that? >> yeah, i mean. >> absolutely i'm concerned about that. right. when we saw as soon as they got out of prison, right. we saw stewart rhodes from the oath keepers, who was there, actually went to capitol hill. we saw the proud boys marching in washington on the day of the of the inauguration, even before these pardons had happened. right. these these are organizations that if you go back and look at the record, a were primarily responsive to donald trump's december 2020 tweet in which he said, you know, come to. >> washington on the january. >> 6th for the protests, it will be wild, and b actually plan how they were going to engage in acts of violence to try and keep him in power. right. that's why they were convicted on seditious

conspiracy charges, right? >> they were. >> the people who were there specifically to be violent in defense of donald trump's power. and donald trump said, these people get commutations and or complete pardons, as in the case. >> of enrique. >> tarrio, who is the head of the proud boys. and that sends this message. it unquestionably sends the message that if you take a violent act on. my behalf, at least in a space that can be pardoned and, you know, in washington dc or some other federal crime, you'll get the pardon. and, you know, at the time, in between january 6th and january 20th, 2021, after the riot happened, while he was still president, there were questions like, okay, he he didn't go that far. he didn't issue these pardons, in part because at the time, we had republican legislators who were saying, this thing is abysmal and awful and we can't stand with that. and then over the course of four years, got built into this. these are hostages and they're heroes and they're patriots and all this nonsense and garbage, and we end up where we are today. >> can i just point out a quick irony this, the senate, in passing the immigration bill that they just sent to donald

trump, said they passed an amendment that said, if you're an immigrant who beats up a cop, you go, you go to jail, you're deported. you go to jail. but what donald trump says is, if you're a white nationalist who beats up a cop in my name, you get pardoned. that's what happened this week. >> how does all of this impact corporate america? because after january 6th, we saw big companies of all stripes and sizes who never get involved in politics, stand up and say, this is anti-democratic. we can't stand for this. they have all suddenly got amnesia and company after company until today, are lining up to do business with donald trump, to do business with this white house, because it makes good sense for them. does a move like this suddenly have them scratching their heads, going, i just did the cha cha at mar-a-lago with a guy who let the oath keepers back out. >> i mean, i think they're. >> scratching their. >> head. >> because it's totally true. >> they're scratching. >> their heads. >> very quietly. very delicately. >> heads or. yeah. >> they you know.

>> you see it in this wall. >> street journal editorial where the wall street journal editorial page, like. >> many. >> you know. >> sort of centrist republicans. >> or business types. >> got behind donald. >> trump on. >> the grounds that this is going to be good for the economy. you know, we've seen everyone from elon musk to. >> jamie dimon kind of. >> say things. >> like that. >> and they were. kind of just. >> trying to ignore. >> this. >> other thing, which is. >> that donald trump and elon musk. >> together really have. >> made things a lot better for. >> the far. >> right, because on one side, you have these. >> leaders getting. >> out. >> of out of jail, like. >> back on the streets. >> effectively. >> which which actually really hurt. >> a. >> lot of. >> these. >> extremist groups. >> on the other side. social media, which. >> had kind of been closed off. >> to the far right. >> is wide open. >> so it. >> just like has totally. >> changed the playing field. >> for these groups. >> and i think that was kind of the point all along. >> easy to ignore them when they're sitting in jail. wait until those groups get on the eat the rich tip. i don't think the business leaders are going to like that. let's talk about immigration, though, because

donald trump already pushing, you know, sweeping changes. and he says, yeah, immigration won me the election. it's what the american people want. and he has somewhat of a point that the american people have moved further to the right. but but have they moved where he's taken the ball. >> donald trump? one 4948 and politics is the art of framing. so if you say that there's a criminal with an outstanding warrant who needs to be deported, 80% of the country will say, yeah, that's great. >> 90%. >> yeah. 90%. if you say, i'm going to go to a. >> school or church. >> and rip a sixth grade daughter away from her father, and neither one of them will know what their future holds. all of a sudden, those numbers, numbers plummet in terms of what supports it. and i think what is obvious about what donald trump and jd vance are doing is the xenophobia and the dark themes of anti-immigration. he suspended the refugee resettlement program, one of the purest programs this country has. to bring in the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the

homeless, the wretched refuse to use emma lazarus words in her sonnet on the on the statue of liberty. he suspended that program, and he abandoned the american ideals of what immigration actually looks like. and it's hard to see donald trump make all of these moves and not say he he's responding to a very dark, xenophobic calling. everybody understands. find the find the, the violent criminal who shouldn't be here and deport them. that's fine. that's not what donald trump is doing this week. donald trump is taking an anti-immigrant agenda that we've seen in western europe in the past decade. and realizing, i'm going to build my second administration on this. >> all right. i want to talk about natural disasters, because obviously, we have these ongoing fires taking place in california last fall, major hurricanes in the south. and i want to share what donald trump said again tonight with his interview with sean hannity. watch this about fema. >> fema is going to be a whole big discussion very shortly, because i'd rather see the

states take care of their own problems. >> i'd rather see the states take care of their own problems. how do you think republican governors are hearing that tonight? >> well, i think republican. >> governors in the. >> abstract are like, oh, no. but i think republican governors who know who donald trump is know that that doesn't apply to republican governors, right? he's talking about california. he's talking about blue states. he's talking about new york and new jersey. he's not talking about florida. he's not talking about the gulf coast. he's talking about the opposition. right. and i think it's interesting, too. we were talking you were talking just now about immigration and the way in which the administration is saying, well, we want to make sure that the doj is going after state officials that aren't upholding federal law, which, of course, they can't do by established case law. murphy versus ncaa. but what happened to states taking care of their. >> own right. >> like like he tries to have it both ways. all that is, is rhetoric about bashing california after the wildfires and trying to open the door for saying, oh, we're not going to do that, and it'll turn around on. >> a. >> dime when it's his people that need it. >> let's talk about dei, because now donald trump has this order,

right? all federal dei employees are immediately on paid leave, right? what they're doing not even worth it to come to work until they're going to be done completely. and ending all initiatives help me understand this. i, i, i've read the numbers, i speak to c-suite executives all the time. i do see that many people in corporate america, at a ceo level, are fatigued by dei. but is there any business out there that you cover that has said to you, god damn it, we would have made billions this year if it wasn't for dei. it is standing in the way of productivity. a single one, no. >> and for. >> like a decade. >> they've been arguing the exact opposite. >> and that's what makes this period just so kind of stunning. and you could. >> say, well, maybe it was. cynicism before when, when you had all. these finance ceos, these tech ceos. >> sort of. >> making a big show of dei, or. maybe it's. cynicism now, or maybe it's. >> a little bit. >> of. >> both and kind of that's. >> that's probably where i would land. yeah.

>> i mean, it's worth noting, of course, that white grievance is a central part of donald trump's politics. and this is absolutely a white grievance play. i mean, when you're revoking things that were instituted by lyndon johnson in the 1960s, 30 years before dei existed, as a concept like. this isn't about dei. >> are there any voters? again, i get the fatigue of it, but at the end of the day, donald trump is going to be evaluated, right? people want to be socially free, financially secure, physically safe. are the things that he's doing in these three days going to get the american people any closer to that? >> no. people want to be wealthy. and in four years, if the economy is better and people feel like they are better off because of donald trump, then their allegiance to the republican party will be the same. but i think much of the country, as seen by the votes in november, also understand that there's more to the american ideal and our human spirit than wealth, and that the democratic party is fighting for something greater than just the economy and greater than putting money in people's pockets. and that is

a balance. at times. we see it with dei, we see it with the economy. we see it with protecting the environment. that donald trump's theory of governing is, i'm going to burn everything white hot, and it doesn't matter if it crashes when i'm done. democrats have taken a more responsible position of trying to figure out what is the role of the united states in the world right now. how do we protect the liberties of all americans, regardless of whether they're marginalized communities or not? and it's a different view of the world. and it's also why i go back to my original statement. millions of americans tonight feel like they don't have a voice, and they feel like donald trump truly is a historic danger to the direction of the country. and those voices have to be heard and respected as much as all the maga megaphones that we're getting right now out of washington, dc. and i think it's a challenge for how we cover that over the next four years. >> but do you think there's also a frustration or a challenge for democrats in what you just laid out, how they have been focused

on protecting the american people in every way possible in that effort to protect? maybe sometimes they're now going to get no credit. right? it's like it's like when you're the insurance provider, nobody cares about you until there's a disaster. and then donald trump shows up and says, why the hell are we paying for insurance? let's let it rip until a disaster comes. >> i'm going to make an analogy here. progressive evangelism is on the outs. evangelism that ignores the rights of minorities, ignores the rights of the lgbt community and the immigrants. as we heard, the bishop at the washington cathedral recently, that is what is supporting maga right now. democrats are in a similar situation. they're on the outs because they have the burden of protecting what is right in the country. and what donald trump has done is he's added fuel to this very primal, nativist instinct that if i get mine, i don't care what anybody else has. democrats have the burden of trying to protect the civil

liberties of people, trying to protect the ideals of america and the world, trying to lead the world forward. and that contest was lost in november, and democrats feel defeated by it. but i don't think it's defeat. i think it's just fatigue and the spirit and the ideals of the democratic party, i think, ultimately win out. but boy, this is a really tough chapter. >> wow. all right. everyone is staying with us. and before we go to break, we do have some breaking news. speaking of natural disasters, there is a new fast moving wildfire burning tonight in southern california. at least 31,000 people are now under evacuation orders due to the huge fire. it began this morning, and more than 9000 acres have already burned throughout the day. the winds have picked up slightly, putting many residents of la and ventura county under a red flag warning until friday morning. we're going to keep a close eye on the situation and bring you any changes as we see them when we return. donald trump launches a fresh round of, you guessed it,

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>> it's my favorite time of the show. money, power. politics. we've got a lot to talk about. let's start off with president trump's favorite word tariffs. after promising on the campaign trail to use tariffs on de uno, he is now taking just a little more time. hours after taking office, trump said he plans to put a 25% tariff on goods from canada and mexico on february 1st, claiming they allowed mass numbers of people and fentanyl into the u.s. and last night, he said he would also put a 10% tariff on goods from china on the same day, accusing the country of sending fentanyl to mexico and canada. one of the world's top voices in finance, has a pretty clear message when it comes to trump's tariff plan, and it kind of sounds okay with it. watch this. >> i look at tariffs. >> they are. >> an economic tool. >> that's it. >> they're an economic weapon. you know. >> depending on how you use it and why. >> you. use it. >> and. stuff like that. >> and you know people.

>> argue is it inflationary and non-inflationary? i would put it in perspective if it's a little inflationary, but it's good for national security, so. be it. >> i mean, get over it. >> get over it. i want to bring in dylan ratigan. he's the global editor for tastytrade and founder of euphoria luxury.com. the rest of the nightcap. still with us, dylan i jamie dimon's the best at what he does, but he has a tendency to be tone deaf every now and again in the last four years, at week in and week out, we talk to voters who go to the grocery store who are concerned every week about the price of eggs and meat and butter and rent and gasoline, and you've got jamie dimon basically saying inflation should go up, quote, get over it. how is that going to fare with americans? >> no, i mean, obviously. >> terribly nice to see. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for. >> being here. you are. as animated and. >> vital as ever. >> so it's nice to see all of you guys here. nice to see you, max. nice to see you as gentlemen. both.

>> are you both? >> are you all right? let's stay on. i got it, i got it. we can catch up in commercial live program, paying attention. so, what do you think? >> what? >> jamie dimon. >> jamie dimon is ultimately no jamie dimon. >> is at a place where. >> he has. the priority. >> which is the. >> correct priority. >> which is we'll get. >> more productivity. we'll get everything. >> and inflation doesn't matter that. >> much to me. or it helps me. what you're saying is inflation. >> hurts everybody else because. >> of the obvious thing. >> and the question. >> is how long that. >> sustains itself. >> for sure. >> it's a. >> morally outrageous and it's good. for discussion, but. >> they've been able to. sustain this for longer than. >> i thought. >> they could in the first place. >> are these tariffs good for national security? >> i think so, i think so i think the. more that we can test the tax. >> burden moving offshore. >> or outside of the us. boundaries and outside of income. or even have. >> a. >> discussion that. >> prioritizes less income tax.

>> and more. >> non-income revenue, non income. tax derived revenue. i think. that that is interesting up to the point where. >> inflation occurs. >> i don't disagree with dylan using tariffs as an shading tool. listen, the president doesn't have that many tools at his disposal. but it's a dangerous game given how sensitive the american people are to it and who elected him. >> economic theory is something that's examined ex-post. after all the decisions are made. and i think what donald trump is wrestling with right now would be increasing the price of goods through tariffs, reducing the labor pool by deporting many americans in the commodity and agricultural industry and then fighting to reduce interest rates. that is a dramatic thing. >> he talks about it more than he does it well. he talks. >> 500 billion. >> i think what we've learned, i think what we've learned is the default is to take him at his word, because he's going to try to do that. and on the national security front, here's here's my greatest concern. i don't think

donald trump is using tariffs as an economic tool. i think he's using them as a posturing tool. so if he wants to take the panama canal or if he wants to take greenland, what's he going to do to denmark with tariffs? what how is he going to wake up at 4 a.m. and hit somebody? >> why is that? >> because he can. >> do it. >> okay. he well, for. >> now you know why. you know why. >> i want to know. i'm interested to hear. >> the answer. because i think all the billionaires are willing to ride the next four years with him because it's a heroine. >> the billionaires. >> don't control. >> the bond yield. >> okay, but. >> hold on. >> hold on. that maybe jamie dimon. knows what. >> he's doing here. >> maybe it's not a gaffe. >> and maybe he's trying. >> to talk trump out of these tariffs. >> i mean. >> i think. >> insofar as jamie dimon has. >> an interest. >> here, it is. >> in minimizing. >> the disruption to the global economy, stable bond markets, and in saying, hey, if you raise prices, inflation is going to go up, i don't care, i'm jamie dimon, i'm not running for office. >> but of. >> course donald trump cares. >> donald trump's. >> voters care. and it to me. >> strikes. >> me as a subtle way. to make a point without directly criticizing. >> donald trump, which.

>> of course, is what all these business. >> guys are trying to avoid. >> right now. and his voters are not in the bond market. sure they're not. his voters are not consumer investors in the bond market. >> no. >> of course not. >> but i'm saying. >> i look at the way the same. >> way the bond market fired. i forget his name. >> who was the prime. >> minister in england? >> yes. >> she was gone in three. >> weeks because she had a. >> crazy day. >> yeah. no. >> before. different name? sure. anyway. >> we know. >> who she is. >> one. yeah. >> one. yes. liz truss. yes. >> bond market. >> is the boss. and so. >> i look. >> at trump. >> and i. >> say, okay. >> let's assume he's. >> amoral and inconsistent. >> and take him at. >> his word. >> and never read everything that's self-evident. >> but let's. >> also assume more. >> decisions in general are. >> possible now. >> than before. full stop. >> all right. well, what do you think, max, about his recent threat, saying, hey, russia, i am going to impose tariffs on you if you do not withdraw from ukraine. >> he's also crazy.

>> sorry. >> i mean. >> it feels. >> like a turnaround from. >> his messaging. >> it feels confusing. >> i don't know what to. >> make of it, but certainly. >> the use. >> of tariffs as as a threat. >> and of course. >> he's using these tariff threats in part to talk about the. >> fentanyl trade. >> which, you know, of course, i could see you. >> can. >> see an argument with national security, but it's not it's not the same thing as china. so like. >> he's clearly. >> using these. yeah. i don't see that bad. >> that. >> that's a bad thing. where's the. criticism in that. yeah. my point is that he's using these he's using tariffs in a bunch of different ways sometimes. sometimes he's talking about generating revenue. sometimes he's talking about negotiating. and that's what this. >> i think if i can bring tariffs. >> into. >> the meeting. >> and not create inflation. >> but he's trying to use tariffs to stop a war. >> well he's he's saying he's saying a thing. that's what. >> i think that is. right. i mean obviously the united states is trying to put economic pressure on. >> russia to end the war. prior to the war even starting. and it. wasn't successful. >> and here's what i'd say. i look at trump's talk about tariffs, the way he talked about. >> the wall. >> in 2016, which is. >> he would make. >> these ridiculous hyperbolic

claims just got ten feet higher because you're being rude. >> to me. >> yada yada yada. but there was still a wall. he still put himself in the corner where he had to try and do it. he declared it. he tried to. he had a government shutdown for two months or a month. he tried to he declared a national emergency to get the funding for it. he had to make it happen because he put himself in that corner. so he is going to have to do something here, right? i get this argument that it's a negotiating tactic, but at the end of the day, he is also still a person who's extremely responsive to what the right wing media is saying and what his base is saying. that forces him into a position where, you know, that's why he did the wall at that point in 2018, 2019. it's because he's getting pressure from the right. he's going to be under pressure from the right. you said this was going to be. punishing our enemies. you said they were going to pay for all this stuff, and he's going to have to do something. >> about it. >> well, and i think to everybody's point, tariffs will be politically popular until they're not. >> all right. i want to talk about something that's very popular in trump world right now. crypto. he was asked yesterday about his new meme coin. and i want to share what he said. >> do you intend. >> to continue. >> selling products that benefit yourself personally while. >> you're president?

>> well, i don't know if it benefited. i don't know where it is. i don't know much about it other than i launched it. i heard it was very successful. i haven't checked it. where is it today? >> you. >> you made a lot of money, sir. >> how much? >> several billion dollars. >> it seems like in the last several days. >> several billion. that's peanuts for these guys. >> he is not concerned about ethical issues whatsoever. that's clear. are the american people okay with that this time around? because it feels like we're almost at a place of like, hey, if you're making money, i don't care. i just want to get in on the game. >> i think one of the things we've seen since 2016 is this slow degradation of what the broad expectation for what the public would put up with has been. right? 2016 you got to release your tax returns. everyone releases their tax returns. i'm not going to release my tax returns. you know, they're being audited or whatever nonsense he came up with. right. and he got away with it. then of course, he had his hotel. and there were the questions about emoluments that sort of died in the courts. and the people were going to the hotel and t-mobile's, you know, buying rooms there. and these foreign governments no one really cared about and over, you know, slowly and slowly it

became more and more clear to trump. and then, of course, the fact that he was reelected at all was sort of the stamp of like, no one cares what i do like, clearly. right. like, you know, january 6th happened. i've been, you know, i had all these indictments. no one cares. i'm just gonna do what i want. but there's been this erosion of the expectation about what people want to see their president do, and a lack of people holding to account from within his own party. so, yeah, i mean, you know, look, is this thing a hustle? like, i'm not the financial expert here, but. yes. >> right. i mean, like. >> i don't see how it's not. but either way, there's no popular pressure for him to do anything different. so, you know, this is a chance for him to make money. so he does. >> which i think is. >> crypto negative long term. >> i think. >> that the. >> crypto integrity is there. >> is there is the asset of. >> the people. >> around him. and so him flipping. >> a two day, 50 billion by accident. >> yeah. >> all that he finds out about in a. >> press release, i think that. is definitely. >> a net positive for trump and his. >> those around him in terms of resources. >> but. i believe. >> it actually impairs. >> crypto as a mainstream asset.

>> which is because. >> it illustrates that. >> donald's case. >> in a nutshell. >> yes. >> so the gop, except the crypto. >> good for him. good for everybody. >> good. >> you know good. >> it works. >> good for him. >> okay, well guess what, america, you saw the movie four years ago. you voted for it again. you get what you get. you know what? >> i disagree. >> with you. >> because america didn't vote. >> for this. >> that's that's where the. >> framing actually, i. >> think, fails because most people, most. eligible voters didn't. >> vote, won't play. >> that's more than. >> know and dismiss those people. i'm not dismissing anybody. but if you choose not to vote. >> that's a vote of no. >> confidence, which is not available to the american voter like it might be available in the united kingdom. >> then you get what you get and you've given the right up. that's what people. >> that's what. >> partizans say. >> why? >> because they want they refuse to acknowledge. >> the 88 million no confidence voters. >> who are saying there's only 76. >> million trump voters, there's. 73 million harris. voters. or democrats or

republicans. >> but the. >> majority voting block is people. >> that will not partake. >> so we portray it as the america. >> chose donald trump or harris or. >> biden, or. >> when more. >> than half of the eligible voters chose. >> well, that's. >> fine, but we got to. >> take a break. you're saying democracy isn't a. >> real thing? >> well, we got to take. >> a break there. >> but i'm. >> saying that that's. >> not it's that. america is bigger. >> than the president. >> sure. and guess what? you have the right to vote. it's not partizan. say to say exercise that right to vote. and if you choose not to, it is what it is. all right, dylan, thank you so much. please come back soon. you boys aren't leaving yet. when we return, elon musk. max is in for it. undercuts donald trump's ai initiative that involves his number one nemesis, sam altman. now it has launched a war of the tech titans. where else on social media. we're going to get into it. maybe that's why they didn't sit next to. >> each other.

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develop it in the us. well, i told you last night the president unveiled stargate, a joint venture between openai, softbank and oracle, to invest billions and billions in infrastructure tied to ai. and you know what else trump did? he repealed biden's executive order that included safety regulations on it. but not everybody is celebrating. and i'm not talking about democrats. elon musk lashed out on x, claiming none of the companies involved even have the money to follow through on their pledges. sam altman responded, writing, i realize what is great for the country isn't always optimal for your companies, but in your new role, i hope you'll put america first. satya nadella also said, i'm good for my 80 billion nightcap. still here? max, what's going on here? >> well, you know, sam altman is one of these kind of center left guys. >> who had. >> a sudden evolution. you know, a couple of months ago where he decided that actually, he. likes donald trump. and it's been going pretty well. >> as an evolution, or he's got to do business.

>> well, exactly. yes. sorry, i'm being glib. now, normally. >> when you have one. >> of these. >> big infrastructure announcements. >> and someone says it's all bs, like this is not real. they don't have the money, this isn't going to create any jobs. it's usually the opposition party. in this case, of course, it's somebody who's like a few doors. >> down, i guess from. >> from donald trump saying it. >> and it's. >> because elon musk basically despises sam altman and openai. >> over the last eight hours. >> or so, he's tweeted, the last i checked, it was a dozen times. >> that, maybe more. >> now calling him a fake, a swindler, a secret leftist. he's been digging up all these posts. >> from sam altman. >> from. like 2016. >> when he opposed. >> donald trump. >> so, so. >> it's pretty strange. >> just because. >> you have. >> this, you know, really big. >> and we could talk. >> about how. >> real this announcement was. >> i think there are actually legitimate reasons to criticize it. elon musk maybe has a point about how much money. >> they have. >> but it is. >> it is a little bit. undermining to president trump when he's he's like out there the next day tweeting that it's. >> all fake. >> philip ai is the future. but

it wasn't that president biden didn't believe it. he was working on it with sam altman and these companies. but what he had in place in his executive order were rules and regulations, because the last time around, when social media was born, we were in the move fast and break things phase, and that was a huge problem for us. we still have those behemoth companies largely unregulated. but how difficult a position does this put democrats in where they they're sitting in the back row saying, but we were working on it and we were putting rules in place. when donald trump gets to ride in on a white horse and say, i'm bringing the 500 billion and let's get into the future. >> i think the question is what your expectation is in terms of how ai is going to be received by the public, right? i think one of the things that biden was doing and working, you know, working with these companies, was trying to ensure that ai doesn't fall on its face or explode, right? which right now, i would say the public perception of ai is not terribly good. right? we will. >> see this fall on its face, collapse on ours. >> right? yeah. exactly. right. and so this is why those guardrails are being put and why

he worked and he tried to do these rules. but of course, you know to our earlier conversation that's not what trump is concerned about. he wants to make money. he wants to he wants to he wants to, you know, have everything go as quickly as possible and as big as possible. and so this is where we land. of course, if you are someone that owns, who has the ability to make a lot of money by having no guardrails, and you can see why you'd be pro this. i do think it's worth pointing out though. we also saw trump do this exact same thing when he was first president. last time we saw foxconn, we see he makes these big. splashy announcements about what's going to happen that don't fall through. so even on that alone. >> tens of thousands of jobs plan in wisconsin. what's your take on all this? >> i think the white house is for sale to go to the original question that started with russia. if you're listening into what jared kushner's $2 billion saudi investment. and now we're. >> i think it's up to 3.5 billion. >> yeah. now we're in his second administration where donald trump is surrounding himself by a bunch of doj's. he started with with musk and ramaswamy as his two doj's. he just lost ramaswamy. he's bringing in altman. he's bringing in others. but the truth is he's going to manipulate them and they're going to manipulate him. and we're going to see democracy for

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health information, just information has gone offline since trump's inauguration. federal health officials launched the website in 2022 as part of a public awareness campaign, after the supreme court's conservative majority overturned roe. but when the founders of the media company the skimm saw the site was removed, they wanted to make sure this information was still available. so they purchased reproductive rights.gov.com, where they published the content of the original website. i am very happy to welcome co-founders of the skimm, danielle weisberg and carly zakin to tell us more. i don't even know what to say besides thank you. how did this happen? what was your first reaction when you saw the government site was taken down? and again, it was just an information site, not an advocacy site. >> steph, thank you so much for having. >> us tonight. i think. >> that. >> you know, our first. >> response was, is it just us? is it our computer? and then looking at articles that other

people. >> had picked up on this and that, in fact, the. >> reproductive rights site. >> that was set up. >> after dobbs in 2022. as public. >> awareness to give people information on exactly. >> that. >> their reproductive rights. >> reproductive health. >> and that it was not going to be accessible. >> and there was. >> no explanation on why. and i think that gives uncertainty. and in a time of transition, when you're talking about basic information about how laws or access to medical information stands, that just shouldn't be. >> carly, i don't see you or your company as something political. do you consider this move to be a political one? >> i appreciate you. saying that. >> stephanie, because this is not a political one. >> one of the things we're most proud of at the scheme is that we're reaching millions of women throughout the country on both sides of the aisle. what we're really talking about is. >> a public service. it is. >> how do you know what.

>> your rights are? >> how do you know what's covered? how do you. >> know to make sure. >> your privacy. >> is protected? >> and so this is, you know, beyond politics, this is just basic rights and. >> it's a public service. >> then, danielle, what are your biggest concerns? right. we are 2 or 3 days into a new administration and already this website. and i just say it again, it was just there to provide public information to women. given that two days in, they already had the game plan and took action to take it down. what's your biggest concern as it relates to women going forward or what we're in for? >> so let's talk about what was actually on this site. there was a comprehensive. list of current rights from emergency care and birth control. >> access to all. abortion and. >> preventative health services. and it was talked about. >> what insurance. >> what costs you should be looking out for. and all of. that are. basic things. >> that people should be aware of. i think one thing that i am

definitely looking out for is that there has. >> been. >> so much talk about trump. >> delivering on. >> promises that he made. and when it comes to reproductive rights, we have seen that. >> the president has said that. he will. >> defer to the. >> states. >> that he would not sign a federal ban. >> on abortion. at the same. >> time. >> he has. >> talked about, you. >> know. >> being very. supportive of ivf. >> those are all things that require. >> a vast amount of information on cost, accessibility. things that you think would be on a site. like this. >> so to me. >> it signals that there is confusion, that it's either setting. >> the groundwork. >> for something bigger, and if not, then we would love to hear a clarification from the administration. >> carly, what do you think? >> you know, i. >> obviously echo what danielle says. i think. >> for us. at the skimm, what we have always prided ourselves on, our mission for over 12 years is give women all the information that they need to make the right

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